[Editor’s note: The following article contains edited excerpts from the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan’s interview with Felisha Monet of Miami’s WEDR 99 JAMZ radio show, conducted July 29, 2015 during the “Justice Or Else!” tour in advance of the 20th Anniversary of The Million Man March gathering in Washington, D.C. on 10.10.15. We encourage readers to get the full interview by calling 773-602-1230, ext. 200, or visiting store.finalcall.com.]

In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful. As-Salaam Alaikum.

Whenever God sends a prophet into the world to bring both guidance and warning, in the guidance and the warning is contained a threat.  

When the wicked do not respond properly to the guidance that is given and the warning that is given to move away from the Wrath of God, the threat becomes their destruction.  

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

When the minds of the people were continually to do evil: Noah warned them. The warning continued for almost 150 years and the people went on with their lives. As both the Bible and the Qur’an teach: They were drinking, they were partying; they were giving in marriage—they were doing those things that they were doing while they continued to do evil. So in that hour, the threat came to pass and God killed them all, except those few that got in the Ark.  …

Those things are put in the Bible and Qur’an as signs and warnings. Because in the Bible it says, “As it was in the days of Noah/As it was in the days of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

Justice is a principle of fair dealing—we have never been dealt fairly since our fathers set the soles of their feet in the Western Hemisphere. Neither have our Indigenous brothers and sisters called Native Americans, they haven’t been dealt with fairly. Neither have the Mexicans and so many others.  

So justice is what we want. And we’re not playing with the government of the United States of America; we are demanding what God demands of us. There definitely is an “or else” from us, but the biggest “Or Else” comes from God Himself.


The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said: “Justice is a principle of fair dealing; justice is the law that distinguishes between right and wrong.” But he also said, “Justice is a Weapon that God will use in the Day of Judgment.” He said, “If justice were in the world there would not need to be a Judgment.” But since the world is run by a satanic mind and justice is not the order of the day, justice is denied. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., said, “the arc of the universe bends toward justice.” So even if I can’t get justice in the courts of America, which are run by White Supremists, that is not the court that ultimately has justice in its grip.

Thomas Jefferson said, “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and His justice cannot sleep forever.”  

What is justice? It’s “what you sow, you have to reap it.” That law is at work every single day of our lives. If the courts don’t do their job, the law of justice contained in the universe will do that job. No man or woman can escape the consequences of their actions. The Qur’an says, “every deed has its consequence.” This is the day when the God of justice will give to every man, every woman, every nation, what that nation has earned.  

What about the evil of America? Great evil that America has done to the Indigenous people. And great evil America has done to the Blacks—who didn’t come here on the Niña, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, but with the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. That is a crime that the enemy has not paid for yet. But this is reaping time. I am happy to announce to the enemies of justice: Your time has come and you will not escape the Wrath of God.

When Thomas Jefferson said he “trembles,” he was in present time trembling for his people in a future time. So, the children of Jefferson today that have lived deliciously based upon what he did, and the evil of what he did and the justice that he didn’t do: He knew one day they would have to pay. I am here to warn America: This is that time and you will pay. And since you didn’t do Justice, the “or else” is now present in America and in the world. This world’s time is up. …

The scripture says, “Set up slaughter for the children even to the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me.” You can’t get away because you’re White and young from the evil of your parents—unless you are willing to do what you made O.J. Simpson do. He won in criminal court: That court said he was not guilty; but they went back in civil court and found him responsible. 

Young White people: You didn’t do this, but you’re in a place of benefit now because of what your fathers did. I like that movie The Godfather because in the end when Michael Corleone was in church at the christening of his sister’s child, the priest asked him, “Michael, do you believe in God?” He said, “Yes.” And then, “Michael, do you renounce Satan and all his works?” Michael said, “I do”—but at the same time, he was killing all the members of the Five Families. See, justice, You can’t play with it. The hearts of Black people want to include White people in the quest for justice and that’s your good heart. But White people now have to earn a pass. The only way they can earn a pass from what their fathers have done is to accept the responsibility that they are in the good position that they’re in because of what was done to us and to the native people of this hemisphere.  

My question for them is: “Are you willing to accept responsibility, and help in the cause of justice for those who have been deprived?” That’s your “pass.” But if you prove to be just like your fathers, then “prepare slaughter for the children for the evil of their fathers even to the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me.” Nobody gets a pass today except by the Mercy of God. Not you, not I, not your mother, not your father. Everybody has to give an account for how they lived their lives. Whatever you put out, expect it back. This is the Time of Judgment and Justice. And I thank God for such a horrible hour for the wicked—but a great hour for those of us who have suffered at their hands. …

We had to die to integrate a toilet? We had to die to integrate a lunch counter? We had to kneel down and pray? That’s not justice. We never got justice. 

Even the simple dignity of spending our money with our former slave masters and their children broke us, not them. Integration never helped us—it helped them, because our consumer dollars went more to them than to ourselves. …

We wanted to be close to our former slave masters; we wanted to be accepted by them. When it looked like they accepted us with this hypocritical trick of “integration,” we ended up right where we are right now. Still crying out for justice. Justice isn’t going to a toilet with a White man. Justice is not going to school, sitting with White children. Justice is getting the knowledge that will allow you to provide for yourself. They never wanted you to have that kind of knowledge. So here we are … But the fight is coming to an end. We’re in the “championship rounds” now—and we will win. Real “justice” comes from God because the White man doesn’t have it in him to give it. …

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said, “Our unity is more powerful than the acquisition of a hydrogen or atomic bomb.” We’ve waded in, prayed in, cried in, crawled in; we’ve marched, we’ve sat down, and done things that remove dignity from us just to be accepted … We’ve never tried unity. 

And even though we talk “unity,” we don’t know what that is. But the enemy does. Because every time we try to unite, he comes in between to keep us weak so that we can’t get the things that we should get: freedom, justice, equality.  

We could get it overnight if we were united. So that’s our fight. Our fight today is to unify the Black man, first. Because you can’t get unity with the Brown if you’re not unified among yourself. You can’t get unity with the Red if you are not unified among yourself. “Charity” starts with self, and home; then it spreads abroad. 

We want unity with the Brown, we want unity with the Red; we want unity with those who struggle like we struggle. But the first unity is with “self.” 


The church has not been our friend. That’s why Pope Francis down in South America (in July 2015) asked Ecuador, Bolivia and Paraguay: “Would you forgive the church?” Forgive the church? I thought the church represented Jesus. Did Jesus do anything wrong to the people of Bolivia, to the people of Paraguay, to the people of Ecuador? Jesus is not guilty. But the church is guilty of the slaughter of the Indigenous people of this hemisphere. The pope asked for forgiveness but the church has not done the neighborly thing.  

White America: Have you been neighborly to us? If the church has failed, and it really has failed now, God comes out of the shadows to help us come up out of this condition …  So, I’m in love with God. He has no equal, no partner—and I’m not sharing my love for God with an enemy that don’t deserve my love. It’s my people who have been victimized that deserve my love and deserve the love of God. It is out of that love that I have worked for 60 years and I am not tired. I know I’ll be the winner in the end, living or dead.


When a conquering army conquers the army of a nation, they have conquered the men of that nation and the prize to the conqueror is the woman. They have access to the material wealth of that country. They have access to the real wealth of that country, which is the woman.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said, “Your woman is like your field through which you produce your future.” Any farmer that produces a crop: He works to destroy the enemies of that crop. You are our earth, and from you every good thing that we’ve ever produced came from you.  … You have been the booty of the conqueror. We couldn’t tell the conqueror, “You can’t sleep with my woman.” In the South, the sheriff could come to the house of a beautiful child of a Black man and woman, and tell the man, “Send your daughter out to me!” And he would take that young girl and do with her what he pleased, and then send her back like a piece of garbage. We suffered that kind of thing. What do you think that did to a woman, that that man was so weak the White man could come and demand his daughter? … That’s why we need to be separated from this enemy:  So that the disease of having been a slave can be healed. We need to be “quarantined” for a while to let God work on us. 

As long as you’re with the enemy, you’re going to continue to be the type of human being that he made you, because he made you into himself. “Come out of her, My people,” the scripture says. Dr. King, in the last year of his life, said, “I can see why separation is necessary for a time.” You come up with the measles, the mumps? You can’t just walk around. They would put a sign on your door, in the old days, “You’re quarantined,” so your health can be restored. Elijah Muhammad said, “It’s better to teach separation than to teach prayer.” There’s nothing more powerful than prayer. But praying in the house of the enemy, and living the life of the enemy, you’re still victimized as a praying slave, a praying freak. So, we can continue to pray, because prayer is the greatest force to restrain us from the doing of evil. But as long as you stay in the cesspool that made you sick all your prayers will never make you righteous. We have to leave him, the enemy, and go into a land of our own, where we can be healed and cleansed and made whole again that God may use us for His glory. … There comes a time in your life when you can’t take any more. And when you decide tyranny will end, it will end, because then you’re ready to pay whatever the price is to bring it to an end.