I was making a book in 1992-1993 that will help people see the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan better. I was not able to do this the first time. I will not get into deeper what happened, now. But I will mention it later.

I have made a few interviews contained in this book public and I put it in The Final Call newspaper. This is part of that interview I did with Brother Minister Abdul Rahman.

Jabril Muhammad (JM): Minister Rahman, you’re a long term follower of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Minister Farrakhan on this side of Calvary. I want you to recollect for me when was the first time you ever heard the Honorable Elijah Muhammad talk about his going away and his being with Master Fard Muhammad. Please give what you recall of his conviction that he would not be dead, even though people might think that. When was the first time you can remember hearing that, when was that, and what were the circumstances and what did he say?


Minister Rahman (MR): The very first time I heard him speaking about that, was when I had made a report one morning, and he was sitting–at the old house on Woodlawn Street–not the Palace, the one next door to it. And he told me he was going away to get a book, the new book that would lead us into the Hereafter. And he told me to hold on to the teachings, he said he would be gone about a little over three years. That was the first time he told me that time.

JM: When, what year was that?

MR: This was a round 1970. ‘70 or ‘71, no later than that.

JM: You heard him say that?

Another time, through my own study, I found that him being a man like Moses, and Moses, according to the Bible lived 120 years of age, and I made a reference to that one day and he did not deny that. And another time, he had told us this many times at the (dinner) table, that if Allah couldn’t save him, He couldn’t save none of us. So that gives me the equipment or the knowledge to believe that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is still alive, because at still another time, I heard him say that He and Master Fard Muhammad would be backing up Minister Farrakhan; that he’d have two of them backing him up.

MR: Yes, I heard him say that.

JM: Was Minister Farrakhan present at the table on that occasion?

MR: I think he was. But I heard him say it more than once. And he also told me he cracked Farrakhan. As we have in our Lessons, The Problem Book, that Mr. Muhammad cracked an atom into ten million parts. So when he told me he cracked Farrakhan I recognized, and realized what he was talking about through Farrakhan being cracked, the knowledge being cracked he would be able to get millions of our people into the fold of Islam.

JM: Now, this time when you mentioned the age 120, what was the expression on his face?

MR: Well, he had smiled. He agreed with it.

JM: He didn’t say anything? And what was the look on his face?

MR: No, he did not say anything, but the look on his face said that he was in agreement with what I just said.

JM: Anymore?

MR: Those are the main things I can think of right now. The main thing that sticks in my mind he said that if Allah couldn’t save him, He couldn’t save none of us. And I tell people that today, I say if you’re afraid for Minister Farrakhan– naturally, for our love for him we’re concerned about that–but we know we have a God, we know if–I don’t think none of us would be here if we didn’t think that Great, Great, Great Master Fard Muhammad could save us from the enemies of Islam.

JM: Now, one other question. I want to ask you this: Have you ever heard him speak about the Mother Plane? What were among the most interesting things you ever heard him say about it?

MR: I think that the most interesting thing that stuck in my mind was that one minister–I can’t recall who he was–he tried to suggest to the Messenger that the Mother Plane might be a myth, or spiritual, a something spiritual, that was not physical.

The Messenger got quiet, and his eyes got sharp, and he stared at the brother and told him, “The Mother Plane is nothing to be played with, brother. It’s for real.” That stuck in my mind for a long–it’s still there. I can see the look now that he gave this brother. ‘Cause the brother was trying to–he had disbelief in the Plane.

He tried to ask the Messenger was that just spiritual teaching, you know, about a spiritual thing that was not also physical. The Messenger got quiet and tightened his jaws and looked at the brother real sharp and told him it was not to be played with, it does exist. And that was the main thing that stuck in my mind.

I’ve seen the Messenger teach that subject in Chicago, and he had Minister James Shabazz, at that time draw it on the board. And if Minister James made one mistake, one dot, one line out of the way, the Messenger got on him severely for mis-drawing the Mother Plane.

JM: Can you recall that drawing?

MR: Yes.

JM: Can you draw it for me?

MR: I’ll do my best, but I doubt I can draw it. But I can give you a good idea of what it is, as close as I can. Yeah, Minister James–the Messenger would really get on him, and I felt sorry for Minister James, because he had the whole audience out there. A Temple full of people, and he up under the fire of drawing the Mother Ship for the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, while he’s teaching. It was really something to behold. So, I will do my utmost, a little later on, to try to draw that plane for you.

More next issue, Allah willing.